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Sheila

What you said sounds totally reasonable to me. You might help ward off the "glassy-eyed" reaction if you lead with something like, "My husband and I are definitely planning to vaccinate our children. However, based on our family history and the chance that our babies will be premature, we were hoping that there could be some flexibility with the scheduling and spacing of all the vaccines." If the doctor still gets his back up after an opening like that, then you know what you're in for. Good luck! We only visited one pediatrician and we love him so it does work out sometimes!

Leigh

It's really interested reading about the US system of labour & delivery and pediatric care. I'm from New Zealand and our health system is so different, that reading about you having to choose between only 3 doctors is quite strange to me. Hopefully your meeting tomorrow goes well and the doctor is willing to listen to you and be flexible. I have never thought to ask for each vaccination to be separate. But I didn't have to get the vaccinations done at a certain time. We have the timeline for when vaccinations should be given, but its just a guideline. My youngest daughter was about a month or so late getting one set of vaccinations done and they just push the next scheduled one back. And even then, I get to make the appointment, so if I want to wait a few more months, it's up to me.

Sorry for being so rambly and if you are still reading this comment, well done you!! But as I said, as someone not living in the US, the rigidness of your health care system bewilders me. Anyway, good luck with the pediatrician appointment. :)

Heather

Well, I CAN go to other doctors -- anyone who takes Blue Shield, I get some percentage of the treatments covered and I pay a co-pay at every doctor's appointment. But for 100 percent coverage, yeah, the particular options with my plan as far as doctors go are more limited. And with twins, I'd like to get the best financial deal that I can -- although if I end up with zero confidence in any of the three doctors, I'll suck it up and take the monetary hit if it means going to one we like.

That said... yeah, our healthcare system is all f'ed up. I'm really just grateful we have insurance. I spent four hours in Labor & Delivery a month or so ago and it would've $850 if I were paying; can you imagine what a stay with an actual birth and recovery would be?

Marisa

Good luck with the pediatrician! We're following Dr. Sears's delayed schedule (from the Vaccine Book, great read) and our pediatrician has been 100% supportive of that. I have read some real horror stories of unsupportive doctors, so I hope you find one that works with you,.

Terra

Well, I'm de-lurking to give you some vaccine support. I really hope one of these doctors works out for you, because I drove myself nuts and spent MONTHS trying to find a doctor who would accept delayed vaccinations, or whatever I chose. It is a really difficult decision, especially when you are super pregnant and they want you to have the ped. in place before the birth. I finally ended up finding a great practice of family doctors, who seem to be more laid back than peds. overall, BUT I drive an hour to get there. Also, I know autism is the big buzz with vaccines, but there are other issues, especially with premature or immune compromised children. I wish you lots of luck finding a great doctor for your boys.

Leslie

Basically, what you need now is a pediatrician to examine the babies for release from the hospital. If all goes well (and I am putting my money on that!), it's pretty simple. You can always switch to another pediatrician later if you decide you would be more comfortable elsewhere.

When my baby was born, we had a pediatrician ... who was not at all responsive to working as a partner with me and my husband in determining care for our daughter. After one particularly ghastly event, in which I was told that I "read too many of those women's magazines," we switched our child's care to our family doctor - and were very happy with him. In fact, our now 26 year old daughter had her first child a year ago, and she and her husband and their baby all see that same doctor still.

Anna

First, hooray for passing the gestational diabetes test!

Second, hooray for preparing to initiate conversations about vaccines! We delayed the schedule for my daughter, and it's worked out well. One thing I found very useful was just to tell the doc that I wanted advice and info to better make my decisions. I've found that a doctor is much more receptive when you let them know you value their opinions and need their help. Even if it means ultimately not taking the advice they give.

Also, in case you run in to some problems, just a reminder that in the state of CA it is legal to avoid vaccines based on a personal philosophical objection. Many other states insist on a religious and/or health objection to delay and/or avoid them. I ran into this when enrolling my daughter in pre-school. I signed a waiver, or wrote a letter outlining my objection, and we were good to go. We're in crunchy NorCal, though, so that might make a diff.

Sorry for the novel. Happy to email convo if you'd like.

Emily

I wanted to second the recommendation for Dr. Sears Vaccine Book. I felt like he gave a pretty fair overview of the different vaccinations that are out there, and he also includes specific information about ingredients in different brans of vaccine for each disease. This is really helpful if you're trying to avoid certain ingredients.

When we went to our pediatrician armed with the book and the alternate schedule, she was very willing to listen to us and follow the delayed and spaced out schedule. I think it was clear to her that we had done our research and were not, as you put it, obsessed Jenny McCarthy fans who were more interested in hysterics than science.

Good luck!

Dawn Crawford - CCIC Communications Manager

What a great post - thank you so much for being so honest about parental fears about vaccines. I do hope that more doctors are open to the conversation about vaccines.

I work for a pro-vaccine organization (that isn't pharma funded) in Colorado and I hope that you consider vaccinating your baby on the CDC schedule just because we know that delaying vaccines just leaves your baby's health open to disease. We know that the vaccine schedule is a tested, tried and true system to protect your baby's health. You have so much to worry about caring for your baby, the tested vaccines shouldn't be one of them.

Have a great pregnancy!

Jay Gordon

Dawn, the docs who write the papers you cite have accepted pharma money.

Technically, YOU are not funded by Pharma, but indirectly, you are.

Best,

Jay

Heather

I think that's the scary thing for parents -- there is no unbiased info out there. Parents with anecdotal evidence are convinced they're right, doctors are convinced they're right, some of the studies come from tainted sources, some of the articles lambasting those studies have come from authors with grudges and/or conflicts of interest. It's so hard.

Dawn Crawford - CCIC Communications Manager

Heather, that is a great point. It's hard for us all to admit but money, unfortunately, makes this world go round. Everyone, including Dr. Jay, is financially benefiting from vaccines in one way or another. We do not take pharma money directly and of course we do apply for grants that are to promote pro-vaccine information. It's all so sticky, but are here for the health of children.

Heather, we just want you, and all moms, to get all the information you need to make a solid decision in the health of you children. We hope that you weigh celebrity with science and make the decision that is best for your family.

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